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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 15, 2009 5:19:09 GMT -5
Hi, everyone. I'm thinking about using completely different tiles for Orange islands. The FR/LG tiles should be replaced with tiles that fits the climate of Orange islands. It would be great if you guys can help me find and assemble tropical tileset.
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Post by Moose on Mar 16, 2009 8:48:04 GMT -5
You don't need to post the exact same thing in multiple threads. I told you, for Orange Islands we're best off using a combination of Don Patch and WAH, because both have lots of tropical-themed plants in them.
Again, we don't even NEED an Orange Islands tileset until we start working on the revisions, which will not happen until long after the Kanto revisions are completely finished (a year or so from now).
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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 16, 2009 17:27:09 GMT -5
You don't need to post the exact same thing in multiple threads. I told you, for Orange Islands we're best off using a combination of Don Patch and WAH, because both have lots of tropical-themed plants in them. Again, we don't even NEED an Orange Islands tileset until we start working on the revisions, which will not happen until long after the Kanto revisions are completely finished (a year or so from now). Well you seem to have high expection for Alistair's tiles. I like some of his tiles, and I'd ask Jonny to replace his tileset with Alistair's if you manage to persuade him to make a tileset for Pkmn HOF like what he did for Acanthite: img209.imageshack.us/img209/3429/acanthitetileset.jpgHowever, not all of his tiles are as good as the one he made for Acanthite. I have to tell you that I won't use his G/S/C tiles for Pkmn HOF like the examples below: img206.imageshack.us/img206/4766/middlefieldmapmx8.pngimg267.imageshack.us/img267/3575/map2gb6si3.png
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Post by Moose on Mar 18, 2009 4:54:30 GMT -5
Alistair won't do any more D/P tilesets for other people, and Kyledove's tiles need to be drastically edited to make them work in 2-D games. The vast majority of game developers want the Acanthite and Kyledove tiles ONLY because they're D/P. What, so are we also trashing our overworld sprites for D/P style considering our 3rd gen overworlds don't work well with fake D/P graphics? Of course, that would require us to redraw EVERY sprite from scratch. img155.imageshack.us/img155/4875/heisenbergroute41silver.pngAre you also going to tell me that this is inherently inferior to anything that is mapped using D/P tiles just because the tiles on this map aren't D/P-based? Oh, and let me guess: any maps made by people like OmegaGroudon, Vampire:://Krimm, and shinylugia249 are also inherently inferior to anything mapped out by some random clueless n00b as long as it's mapped using D/P tiles. Again, how do you expect me to find you credible when you speak about converting things to 4th generation if you have NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE 4TH GENERATION GAME? I've been asking you this same question for MONTHS, but you never gave an answer. I never said anything about using Alistair's G/S/C tiles, so don't even bring them up. EDIT: Wow, this map looks so ugly and stupid because it's not made using D/P tiles! Also, instead of sitting here waiting for someone like Alistair to make us more Kyledove tiles for the Kanto region, why don't we use edited (recolored with stuff like tint adjusted) WesleyFG's tiles? His new tiles look way better than Kyledove's, and they seem to fit better with 2-D maps.
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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 18, 2009 7:36:18 GMT -5
lol Moose I never said the Alistair's map you used is not good, and Shinylugia actually used D/P tiles. I just pointed out that some of Alistair's tiles are apparently more superior to Kyledove's and some aren't. Actually both you and Jonny are a little bit extreme when it comes to the tiles.
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Post by Moose on Mar 18, 2009 10:18:09 GMT -5
Why not use WesleyFG's newer tiles? Why does it have to only be Kyledove or Alistair's tiles in Kyledove style?
Shinylugia249 uses a few heavily edited trees from D/P, and he actually fixes all the issues that I keep bringing up about Kyledove's tiles (alignment, texture, tint, etc.). And besides, if you actually look at his screenshots, his maps use a combination of D/P trees, Alistair's tiles, default tiles and custom tiles. He doesn't limit himself to only Kyledove's tiles and Alistair's tiles made in the Kyledove tiles. Why should we?
If we're lacking on tile diversity (which we are if we use nothing but Kyledove), why shouldn't we try to adapt tiles made by many different artists into hybrid tilesets? Why should we limit ourself to only Kyledove's tiles and Alistair's tiles in the Kyledove style?
Why can't we use WesleyFG's newer tiles? They're D/P-based, yes, but they're also adapted for use in 2-D maps.
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Post by Jonny Chleevas on Mar 18, 2009 11:11:35 GMT -5
Yes, i am, but i care not. I can make tiles, and Venom has shown me that he can too revamp and make tiles, so i will ask him and we will work on more bechy, watery, rocky tiles.
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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 18, 2009 22:02:44 GMT -5
Why not use WesleyFG's newer tiles? Why does it have to only be Kyledove or Alistair's tiles in Kyledove style? Shinylugia249 uses a few heavily edited trees from D/P, and he actually fixes all the issues that I keep bringing up about Kyledove's tiles (alignment, texture, tint, etc.). And besides, if you actually look at his screenshots, his maps use a combination of D/P trees, Alistair's tiles, default tiles and custom tiles. He doesn't limit himself to only Kyledove's tiles and Alistair's tiles made in the Kyledove tiles. Why should we? If we're lacking on tile diversity (which we are if we use nothing but Kyledove), why shouldn't we try to adapt tiles made by many different artists into hybrid tilesets? Why should we limit ourself to only Kyledove's tiles and Alistair's tiles in the Kyledove style? Why can't we use WesleyFG's newer tiles? They're D/P-based, yes, but they're also adapted for use in 2-D maps. Well did I ever claim that I wouldn't use WesleyFG's tiles? I've always been objective and all I'm trying to do is to give everyone a chance to present his/her idea on what tiles to use. You do need to stop being assertive and learn how to contain the others. Ironically, I became interested in D/P tiles not because of Kyledove's Sinnoh tiles, but because of Alistair's Acanthite tiles(definitely one of the greatest you can ever find).
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Post by Moose on Mar 19, 2009 12:45:19 GMT -5
Don't lie. You've had your eyes set on converting things to D/P forever, and I remember you were one of the first people to show any interest at all in Kyledove's tiles. Read the third post. www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=130755Since then, you have been asking people every once in a while to give you D/P overworld tiles. You didn't even know who Alistair was or that he made enhanced D/P style tiles for 2-D until I mentioned it to you, which was about two and a half months ago. You also wanted to convert all overworld sprites to D/P style, but I didn't let you.
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Post by Jonny Chleevas on Mar 19, 2009 13:09:47 GMT -5
This is a debate to be done elsewhere, you are in the wrong thread for this.
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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 19, 2009 13:34:37 GMT -5
Don't lie. You've had your eyes set on converting things to D/P forever, and I remember you were one of the first people to show any interest at all in Kyledove's tiles. Read the third post. www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=130755Since then, you have been asking people every once in a while to give you D/P overworld tiles. You didn't even know who Alistair was or that he made enhanced D/P style tiles for 2-D until I mentioned it to you, which was about two and a half months ago. You also wanted to convert all overworld sprites to D/P style, but I didn't let you. lol I didn't even notice other tiles in March 2008, when I was pretty much a n00b. I still believe Kyledove's tiles are at least way better than the default(I'm not comparing Kyledove's tiles to Alistair's, Saurav's or Wesley FG's). So what? Most people think this way. Besides, I've been asking for D/P graphics like battle scenes and overworld sprites since last summer, but I never asked for D/P tiles before. I could have easily get some if I want, since Pokemon Platnum was offering me all the D/P tiles he had for his game. BTW, I have to point this out to you again that the default tiles can't be used in mapping Pkmn HOF anymore. You better send me your own tileset or I'd turn to someone else. The last thing I'm trying to tell you is that you better concentrate on what you're supposed to do. Did you answer questions Jonny raised? I know you're very knowledgeable when it comes to the world of pokemon, so I hope you can use your talents properly.
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Post by Moose on Mar 19, 2009 13:56:39 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with mapping out using the default tiles until we're done all of the revisions. Nothing whatsoever.
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Post by Destrozone on Mar 19, 2009 16:27:14 GMT -5
Okay, Im stepping in. Moose, back off a little, this is getting us absolutely nowhere at all. HoF, lets, keep the tileset standard, okay? Once Jonny and co. are done mapping, then we can convert to a new type of tileset. But only THEN. so lets just keep this thread unposted for a while, k?
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Post by Hall of Famer on Mar 19, 2009 18:17:44 GMT -5
lol the reason why I post this thread is to seek for help, not flame. I'd like to see if someone can find me tiles that fits the tropical climate of Orange islands, no matter which style they are(Alistair. Saurav, Kyledove, Wesley FG, etc.). I don't know what was wrong with Moose and he apparently didn't have to post if the only thing he can do is to complain.
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Post by Destrozone on Mar 19, 2009 18:48:51 GMT -5
lol the reason why I post this thread is to seek for help, not flame. I'd like to see if someone can find me tiles that fits the tropical climate of Orange islands, no matter which style they are(Alistair. Saurav, Kyledove, Wesley FG, etc.). I don't know what was wrong with Moose and he apparently didn't have to post if the only thing he can do is to complain. Woahwoahwoah. Lets cool the engines buddy. He does do more then complain. I am not a hundred percent sure what exactly he does, but I know that the above is a blatant lie.
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